P500.... years! It's common practice i hear. Game companies will wait until they have an X number of presold copies before print. My cousin signed up for a wargame 5 years ago and has yet to gain access to it, if the game never achieves that reorder number. The reason they do that is so they can also measure the demand for it.

here's a list that gets an added 5 dollars
http://www.strategicon.net/index.php?goto=registration

west arroyos not on there... yeah, that's my normal sat group, BUT i'm also part of ventura game group, i just never go being too far from me.

Mike, good to hear from ya!