Aron- I found a copy of civilization (eaglenet games) on ebay for 33.95 (39 total) 2nd edition. But after reading some articles on it, I found out an average game takes 5-8 hours Doh! I don't know. It's hard enough to convince people to play a 2 hour doosey let alone a 5 hour one. I just can't justify the return on investment and the cost, and only playing it once every 2 years or so.